at least temporary the debt ceiling will get done by that october 17th date. i hear you a little more skeptical of that, that it might slip beyond that date and maybe into the week after next. what would that mean in practical terms, both to the markets and to the functioning of the federal system, which is roughly 80% open as it is today. >> right, we do think a deal is likely achieved by the end of next week, the 18th, kind of last minute, one minute past midnight, if you will, that type of deal. we think that's the most likely scenario and we have to acknowledge that that date is not necessarily a very hard deadline. this could easily go on for the rest of the month, and i don't think the equity market suffers a 10% corporation. the s&p is 1690, it got as low as 1648 just yesterday. i think it would take a lot more rattling of investors nerves, which have been there so far to breach anything like 1620. but yes, you're right, the longer this goes on, the more of a risk to investor, business manager and consumer confidence and in the end it should be resolved